BEST of the BETS

Rubbish day betting wise but great racing. Thats whats its all about! However thats me guys on here (for third time!) but mugz has made a comment that makes me think its a waste of time on here snd hes bowed to the multi id chaps

Mugz, you are entitled to your views but thats a stupid comment:

1) if they all ran to their marks there would be no bookies
2) actually i cant be bothered! You haven’t read what i was saying .....goodnight and over and out! You obviously prefer to support your multi ids dross and secondly, dont insult my intelligence!

Very helpful

Sweeping statement that mugz! 2m 5f in near heavy ground? Admire your confidence in such a judgement.

Cyrname won fair and square under a canny ride by cobden. Well done to nicholls and co , good plan excellently executed. Obviously a very good horse at ascot over 2m 5f. Never looked like getting beat. Good ride good horse and good training performance.

I have a horrible feeling that might be the last we see of Altior. Connections looked gutted and no positives at all. Looked beat after 3rd fence, never travelling and didnt even hit its flat spot that normally lights the fuse. It looked spent to us and only its class kept him there. I think he may have shown “thats it” and nicky will make the right decision when the dust settles. A sad day but they are not machines. Nicky will do the right thing for the horse.

All that said, cyrname was superb and a very worthy winner

may as well have been 2015! Two huge gambles win both races! How do i pick em? Rocco went from her to zero in seconds and im afraid lto was a flash in the pan....but well done anyone getting 12/1 on the winner last night! It was hammered down! As for Doit? well a curious ride from Paddy but i sensed as much before the race. Not off a dollar im afraid but put this in your tracker, they are planning something over Xmas Im sure!

this has been a tough day but just Sinistry may run weat a big price in the bumper...im still happy with Maskada but will have a few quid as its a reliable source

too be honest i dont even look at the AW. Id rather check on my paint drying! im afraid its all change in lambourn from end of September and i feel that any decent flat horse running now is either last chance saloon or trying to cheekily nick a prize. eves horses were very quick to go this season and i would have thought they are all over the top now and this must nearly be AA's last hurragh?

So sorry mate, no help at all, but at least im honest!

Id didnt have a penny on it and it just looked a bit unlucky to me. But im back to my old point.....why would Shoemark throw away the chance to win a £50k race for a trainer whi is as straight as they come? at a basic 10% he would have got £5k and hes not exactly banging in winners, so id imagine needs the cash? Also Gosden would never use him if he even thought about pulling a horse. I always ask in these situations: To Who's advantage? i cant see anyone benefitting from it. No strange betting, no big gamble and it was in a £50k race...doesnt make sense?

Now if it was a lowly stable in a £2.5k at Blackpool, sorry Southwell....and they hadnt got their money down or they were after bigger fish, well you might entertain it, but £50k? im not having it. The words fiddle and cheat are used too often in racing and while im not stupid, anything involving money is open to corruption, i cannot see the point in valuable races , especially as the world will be looking far more than the 230 at Blackpool!

Unlucky? poorly Judged? Not the best ride? Maybe, but hardly a fiddle

I brought up a race the other day wgere i wasnt happy. Brian Hughes who cannot stop winning on Northern trained horses but poor record on Southern trained raiders (no idea why, but it seems to pan out that way) was booked by Seamus Mullins to ride Chesterfield in a valuable Novice chase at Carlisle. 600 mile round journey, he thought Hughes rides Carlisle so well hed book him. Result? Never once put in the race, suntered round at the back on the bridle, still miles down in 4th at the 2nd last when lo and behold the 2 leaders (and no doubt would have been 1st and 2nd) fell at the last. Hughes realising this suddenly starts trying and gets to within 1.5 lengths at the line having been 25ls plus down between the last 2! The horse that wonm was rated considerably lower than Chesterfield yet Chesterfield was was receiving. Fiddle? Cheat? No, just a god awful ride that cant be explained. He offered no explanation to Seamus and he will never use him again. He travelled the 300 miles back home fuming! Is Hughes a cheat? no, of course not, but a very puzzling ride. What made it worse was the RP commentary that it was never travelling etc etc But i see the positives out of negatives and I know that horse is top class and ill get my cash back in spades whereas the Gosden horse could run next week and still get beat as its an obvious puller.

Opinions of course differ, thats what makes the world go round!

Cheers mate, totally agree. it will be a brilliant race and whatever the result, both come back safe and sound (its not Cyrnames faults hes trained by a classless OAF!!). I think the difference between the two is Henderson wants Nico to ride without fear ie as if it gets much further...go for it and old money! Which I love about Henderson and his owners, they simply are sportsmen and women. They could have sat and won another Queen Mother but it would haunt Henderson as hes always wondered...now hes daring to do it having finally won round the Pughs. And fair play to the Pughs, what sportsmen/women they are.

Ive been lucky enough to secure an invite to a box with some of Oliver Sherwoods owners so Henderson will be visible to us all day! i know i go on, but he really is a nice guy. I saw him when Sprintre Sacre pulled up and while gutted he knew it was a public horse and pulled himself together and gave a fantastic sympathetic interview to Channel 4. Yes, he shed many tears, but realised he had a duty and was brilliant. The same way he never blames jockeys or any of his staff. He will happily walk through crowds and answer questions and always responds to greetings or questions, no matter how daft! All the trainers that have learnt their craft at his are all the same...knowledgeable but humble with it and his jockeys always speak highly of him. A true gent and genius trainer. Maybe you can see why the OAF riles me know!

Have a great day at Haydock

Not my word pere.....all over the press and tv. He went oublic on all of them except ecco but a mate showed me the owners brief and we piffed ourselves knowing how strongly both emma and jamie snowden fancied theirs! They could only see each others as dangers!

I know your a fan of the OAF , so tell us all why he keeps boasting they will win (see rp for getaway and politoluge ......nah see racing tv for both) when they “need the run”. So after all of last years hype and boasting about cyrname hes going to send it “needing the run”? Really? Well he is a complete toss”r then bigging it up “im not afraid of altior!”. So he’s effectively lieing then? Sorry mate but i find that insulting to Everyone’s intelligence...including yours! Do which is it? Is he lying to the press and public and cheating them telling them cyrname will win or just a buffoon? I suspect both!

Your other comments are fair, it’s unknown territory 3 miles plus but we can dream. Come to lambourn mate and speak to honest trainers!

Great spot joe

From Yesterday: "Wondering what your thoughts were on the fat oaf shouting out this morning “Al Dancer will never beat getaway trump again” result: al dancer beats it again! “Politiclogue has had wind op and should win today as it’s different class to defi de seul”.....result: defi beats it easily. “Quel de destin wont be out of first three” result:!not placed! Now ecco is his cert apparently!

15 mins later: Oh dear! Ecco thrashed in 3rd! Backed off the boards so ground wasnt s worry.....maybe the oaf isnt as good ss he thinks he is!

But my point is why does he go public slagging off other trainers and horses? So when he gets stuffed he should front up but he wont. It will be the ground, the weight, the seagulls, cobdens an idiot, he had the wrong pants on etc etc etc yawn!! No class, just a whingeing bitter man (no not me!).....but thank you Oaf for the great price on Emmas!!

Today headline in RP: "Politologue camp laeve Cheltenham buoyed fotr Tingle Creek rematch" and hes stating Defi wont beat it again! Sounds familiar? He cant stop himself and his hypocritical big lying mouth! Thought it was going to beat Defi yesterday OAF? It didnt, in fact the race was set up for it and Defi still sauntered past after getting the worst passage going (the 2nd last was breathtaking!).

But in a way he does me a favour. i thought Emmas may be pressing for fav when he announced Ecco was his cert of the day (only after his other CERTS all got beat!) and the blind sheep piled into it only for it to be the first one beat. three weeks he was boasted Getaway Trump would beat Al Dancer, it didnt and neither won!Suddenly the weight told on Quel De Destin.......the list continues. Imagine the pressure on young Cobden with this fat OAF shouting from the rooftops all the time. No wonder ALL of his jockeys quit!

So just waiting for the mystery injury for Cyrname this week...i hear ground is already being mentioned. ....so what Hendersons stance? Quietly entered Altior not afraid that hes running at Cyrnames preferred distance and course and doesnt give a jot about the ground as its a true champ and not a BHA lick bottom winner of 6 of its 16 races! If Altior loses, Henderson will be sporting and graceful, if Cyrname gets beat it will be ground, distance, Cobdens riding, a Suffragette in the stands put him off, Sooty appeared at the furlong pole or Michael Barrymore formally opened GB new Olympic Swimming Pool! ie everyone elses fault bar him!

Over to you guys...

Theres huge confidence behind hendersons but its odd on so im not interested. Both of o briens are fancied as is hobbs. For devilment im having a bit on the oafs as apparently he doesnt think he can win! Im also doing a csf tricast with fav and both o briens

Oh dear! Ecco thrashed in 3rd! Backed off the boards so ground wasnt s worry.....maybe the oaf isnt as good ss he thinks he is!

But my point is why does he go public slagging off other trainers and horses? So when he gets stuffed he should front up but he wont. It will be the ground, the weight, the seagulls, cobdens an idiot, he had the wrong pants on etc etc etc yawn!! No class, just a whingeing bitter man (no not me!).....but thank you Oaf for the great price on Emmas!! Jamies horse ran a cracker too. Defi was brilliant and young bellamy was brilliant too as was young jones on gumball, that lad has a future.

Im at Cheltenham enjoying a great day out. I wont bore anyone but i backed the same horse i did in the Persian War.

Wondering what your thoughts were on the fat oaf shouting out this morning “Al Dancer will never beat getaway trump again” result: al dancer beats it again! “Politiclogue has had wind op and should win today as it’s different class to defi de seul”.....result: defi beats it easily. “Quel de destin wont be out of first three” result:!not placed! Now ecco is his cert apparently!

Ok, Marble Moon a good 3rd despite hating the ground ew at 14/1.

Feine De Cheine didnt know his job and Skeltons won comfortably

Nicholls 1/2 (10/11 in end!) thrashed out of site ! but how unlucky was Does He Know? first the Nicholls horse murders him and then the winner does the same. Crowded , bumped and forced left and still only just fails. A winner without a penalty nto and 10/1 ew so profit

Artic Snow, ran poorly at the back and was beaten after 2 hurdles. maybe somthing amiss but a loser all the same

So, small profit on the day but another Nicholls hotpot beaten so not all bad!

Yes mate, agree with that. The feeling from the camp is that it is getting older and slower thus the step up in trip. Nico said he felt it was "beat" twice last season as it got a bit outpaced but the way it sprinted clear from the last suggested it had slowed and would be better if things werent going so quickly for him. Its cantering all over everything at home....not that they run it against top guns as its very precocious and they dont want to leave it at home. Thats it for it now, the work is done. He gets himself fit and believe you me they dont want to lose to Cyrname (they are still "secretly" fuming that Cyrname was rated above them for 1 run against a sicknote horse Waiting Patiently...the BHA are bufoons!).

Will he get 2.5 miles, absol;utely...3? Hmmmmm yes at Kempton...3m 2f at Cheltenham...who knows! But it will ne fun finding out and win lose or draw Altior is 10 times the horse Cyrname is and always will be!

Pere, he has been told to! He hired a PR trainer after it went viral with him punching the air, screaming and ignoring Nicky Hendersons congrats handshake at Sandown a few years ago. His owners (like Barber and Co ) told him to grow up and he was ruining their "product". He was just like it as a second rate jockrey riding for Baker, Holder and co (the Bristol Mafia!)...maybe thats where it comes from ie the complex that hes inferior to the Hendersons and co who are steeped in racing history and tradition.

Have you ever met him? If you had you wouldnt be defending him. He is a loutish oaf. Noone questions his ability but this sport needs good PR and hes an ass. Thus the odd nice interview (that you saw...carefully scripted by his PR guru) but he slips straight back into his classless ways immediately afterwards. Come to Lambourn and meet the trainers. Henderson is pure class with everyone...even the odd drunk or too at a meeting. He admires Nicholls as a trainer but doesnt like him as a man but has the good grace to be a gentleman and keep his thoughts private.

As for Cyrname, why is anyone even talking about it in the same breath. For the record (again) Cyrname has won 6 (1 in France when not Nicholls) out of 16 races and only one at Grade 1 against a dodgepot Waiting Patiently a winner of 1 Grade 1 (against an ageing Cue Card). Altior has won 20 of 22 races of which 10 YES 10 were Grade1s. Cyrname only sticks to courses where he can win ie Ascot whereas Altior wins everywhere (Chelt, Liverpool, Sandown et al). Ctrname would never take Altior on at 2miles, Altior will take on Cyrname at any distance)....need i continue.

If Cyrname beats Altior fair and square (i doubt it will run...Nicholls pulls a novice hurdler if he hears theres a chance of being beat!), ill say fair play. But as i say i fear a slight muscle spasm or ligament pull will beset Cyrname a day or two before the race!!

Fuzz, i think he may have crossed me off when i called him a fat classless Oaf at Sandown 3 years ago! Not sure, but that may have swayed it! (i was with one of warren Greatex's owners who had just taken a horse away from Nicholls as it had run twice in 2 years)...how we laughed! he told us to F off several times!

And the biggest certainty of all time is that Cyrname will have a small ligament pull on the eve of the Ascot clash with Altior...despite all his fighting talk about not being afraid!

sorry Value. only noticed this. No i only had any word for the two i posted. Annoyed with myself as they thought Espirit was a good thing and won as one...should have gone max but was worried by runner up!